Politics, urgh

[azzinita]

I'm an Obama supporter all the way.

And yet, I like this:

"Although we weren't able to shatter this highest, hardest glass ceiling this time, thanks to you, it's got about 18 million cracks in it, and the light is shining through like never before." --Hillary Clinton

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[nute.livejournal.com]

While inspiring, I think it's fallacious - the fact that a woman was a serious contender for President of the United States proves that there is no glass ceiling. The fact that she did not succeed only proves that the majority of her party's voters felt someone else would do a better job - this doesn't support the "glass ceiling" myth.

I think what her campaign did - and this is important - is prove to the American public that we are ready to accept a President who isn't an Old Rich White Man.

Of course, "Rich" will always be a qualifier by necessity, but still.

[azzinita.livejournal.com]

Don't get me started. There is a glass ceiling, perhaps it's not obvious to you, but we women face it every day. In the movies that I work on, it's asking to get treated seriously as a professional and respected as a person for my skills and not for my gender.

On top of that, it's asking to get treated seriously even though I am an attractive young woman. If I had a dime for every time I've been looked down on, harassed, treated as stupid, patronized and generally thought of as not good as a man, I shitsure would never need to work again.

So Yes, there is a high glass ceiling. And Yes Mrs. Clinton has done more than any other that has done before, and don't you dare belittle what she has done for the rest of us. She didn't succeed this time. But there will be a next time.

[maureenans.livejournal.com]

there is a glass ceiling. Absolutely - and it shows every time I like a guy or get a boyfriend a coworker says to me "you gonna keep working here when you marry him?" or a family I work with says "you're too pretty to be in this business."

Um, since when does having a boyfriend = marriage?! Or quitting my job? Or being pretty have anything to do with my career choice?!

There's a glass ceiling. The company I work for did not offer maternity leave at all until this year. Hilary, whether you like her politics or not, has made good inroads on breaking it. And that's a good thing.

[frito-kal.livejournal.com]

Thirding. The glass ceiling is less than 1960, but it's definitely still there.

Companies are still being sued for outright discrimination in hiring. Women still get questioned on if they're going to quit when they start a family -and men do not-. (The question is not the problem, the gender bias is.) Family leave is only offered to women, and NOT men without a fight.

There are men -and- women who didn't want to vote for Hilary not because they didn't think she'd do a good job but because she's female. There were interviews all over the place about it.

[hex-16.livejournal.com]

Women still get questioned on if they're going to quit when they start a family -and men do not-.

And it's illegal for the interviewer to ask (which some people still aren't aware of, but HR people should know better). Though your point is taken that the fact that it's asked at all is proof of extant discrimination.

Family leave is only offered to women, and NOT men without a fight.

Which is proof that the discrimination's not all one-sided (but doesn't disprove your point).

[frito-kal.livejournal.com]

That would actually be why I included that line - it's still assumed that only women want to quit their jobs and be the person at home raising kids and taking care of a house. That's not fair to men OR women.

[hex-16.livejournal.com]

My reading comprehension's seriously off this morning. :P

In the vein of your comments regarding family leave, Wendy McElroy (http://wendymcelroy.com/news.php) (a self-described "individualist feminist", and editor of iFeminists.com (http://www.ifeminists.net/e107_plugins/enews/enews.php)) used to write a column carried on Fox News' website, and one of the issues she devoted a bit of attention to was the overwhelming bias toward mothers, rather than fathers, getting custody of children in divorce proceedings. I'll have to go digging for the articles, as it's been a while, and I can't say I rightly remember her arguments.

[http://users.livejournal.com/_bounce_/]

Or the fact that men are often praised in the workplace for taking days off to look after sick kids - after all, that shows what caring parents they are. But the same thing tends to shoot women in the foot as far as their career goes.

[qbmuses.livejournal.com]

What every one else said. I butt my head on that glass ceiling every day I get dressed and go into work.

And latent sexism has begun oozing out the woodwork since it became obvious that Hillary was a real contender. Racism is taboo in our country and a lot of it is underground. Sexism? It's acceptable to be sexist right out in the open. In fact, it's such a part of our culture, that we don't even SEE it anymore.

Of course, I'm in tune to such things because it affects me directly. But if I were to keep a log of gender discrimination, I could add something to my list hourly. All I have to do is turn on my television.

[paradisacorbasi.livejournal.com]

I'd say the glass ceiling exists for sure, but not to the extent Hillary wants to believe it exists in this particular instance.

I posted some of the sexist crap I saw them putting Hillary through that no other candidate has ever had to deal with. Nobody asked Obama, McCain, Huckabee, Edwards, or the other umpty candidates that started out what the derogatory nickname they got in high school meant.

Hillary got asked what it meant to be called The Fridge.

But Hillary didn't fail to secure the nomination solely because she's female. It was a factor, but not the only one, nor the most significant. Hillary failed to secure the nomination because of Clintonian baggage, the fact that she had trouble "Finding her voice," and what comes across to a lot of voters as an entitlement attitude about how she should just be President.

Honestly, IMO, the DNC should've told one of them or the other to hold back the candidacy for another time, because trying to get sexist thinking and racist thinking overcome in the same election year is a lot to ask for, and this might not have gotten as ugly if one of them had been the party candidate from the beginning.